Unreliable Narrator: our latest BBC Illuminated feature

Dave Howard
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July 2, 2026

It never, ever gets old: being able to say that a new Bespoken programme has just aired on BBC Radio 4.

Our latest episode for the Illuminated strand - Radio 4's "home for creative and surprising one-off documentaries" - started as a conversation over coffee with a guy called Shaun Milne.  

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Among other things he's brilliant at, Shaun is an independent podcaster.  He makes a show, mostly about Scottish (and occasionally Norwegian) music and culture, called Good Stuff In Between.  

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Shaun told me about an interview he'd done with acclaimed musician and artist Constant Follower (real name Stephen McAll), and how it had left a lasting impression on him.

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Stephen's music is wonderful, but his life story is incredible.

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I won't tell you too much about it here, because I want you to listen to the programme(s):

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** Listen to our Radio 4 programme Unreliable Narrator' at BBC Sounds.

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And / or:

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** Listen to Shaun's interview with Stephen from a few years ago for Good Stuff In Between.

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‍What's also incredible is Stephen's generosity, in sharing not only his story but his music with us.  

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This programme is gunnelled with original music Stephen composed and created especially for us.

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Unreliable Narrator is a sometimes difficult, visceral but, ultimately uplifting story - with the power of poetry and storytelling at its heart.

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Huge thanks, and congrats also, to Bespoken producer Katie Revell and sound designer Jonathan Webb for bringing it to life so beautifully and vividly.

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If you're outside the UK, Illuminated is available in podcast players - you can listen to Unreliable Narrator on Apple Podcasts, and on Spotify.

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